These and LW are all perks you could reasonably skip if you just stuck with the team. The advantage here is that the Billhook does better armor damage than all of those except Warhammer. The Flail can also be used to setup much more powerful weapons with HH stacks. One, you can use it to help protect valuable brothers you want to make sure stay alive to a high level. Designated MartyrsThis isnt a strategy that I am much of a fan of because I think it is needlessly costly, a waste of XP, and not necessary. There are reasons you may want to use those, but they tend to be beat out by other options like Mace/Hammer. Lets address the negatives before we get to the positives. With the BD buff to the 3-Head damage as well, it is now a great weapon for dealing a lot of morale checks with Duelist and/or against enemies with poor armor. Your team doesnt have to be perfect or built specifically to win legendary fights. Resilient gives you a bit of protection here. Legendary locations: Its a damage raceMost of the legendary locations and large camps in the wild feature huge numbers of enemies. The value of Colossus here goes beyond just the raw durability. However, with Indebted capping at level 7, perks are at a premium, and the Whipped status already grants a large SKL bonus, making Backstabber harder to justify compared to other options. You can use it to block annoying displacement abilities, save a bro in danger, protect damage dealers, control Necrosavants, and much more. If you're looking for your saved builds, swap back to plain http. Unlocks the Rally the Troops skill which can rally fleeing allies, and raise morale of all nearby allies to a steady level. My perspective is that of Expert Economy and Combat, Low Funds and Ironman using all DLC and no mods. In some cases, Recover is a win-more perk. Nimble: Colossus, a natural fitColossus and Nimble go hand-in-hand to the point where it is almost an auto-pick. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2249596421, https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2250236832. Word of caution is that CS and Executioner provide no value against Undead/Ancient Dead. Recall that once enemy morale drops it lowers their RES, making it easier to get more drops. Swapping any item in battle except for shields becomes a free action with no Action Point cost once every turn. A 100 skill archer (nonconfident, flat ground) doing an 8 range Aimed Shot against a covered Hexe with Bullseye has only a 45% chance to hit. Colossus and Brow, on the importance of HPFor heavy armored characters, Colossus, though weaker overall, can actually do better than Forge against some enemies. More stats is always a good thing, and Gifted gives you the flexibility to grab stats in whichever stats you need. As armor is lost the value will slide back up to 40%. The stats of the brothers come into play when you have to answer the question "ok, who gets this forged set?" Valve Corporation. Gash also costs a hefty 15 FAT per swing compared to Mace/Hammer 10/11. You dont even need to use it all and you can still be completely fine. A front liner expecting to see a lot of danger would like as much HP as he can reasonably get. Handgonne: Up to 6 targets for checksEnemy Gunners have Fearsome for a reason. Inner formation Underdog is usually only worth +5 defense, which can be beat by other perks if you are tight on space. The nerf to 5AP cost also made Indom harder to use on 2Handers, either requiring you to skip on you attacks or Berserk into it. Since elite enemies generally arent scary without an entourage to back them up, mowing down their less durable troops essentially wins the battle. Spearwall: Low damage makes injury very unlikelyDue to Spearwall halving your damage and Spears also having poor Ignore%, it is extremely bad at inflicting injuries to anything that is remotely armored. There are a lot of weapons that can function for equal or less than that per turn. If you see references to QH shield defense in older guides/videos/posts then understand it is a legacy effect and no longer applicable. Killing an enemy by Ignoring their armor is a lot stronger than having to wear down their armor first. 300/300 vs. 300/320: Is +20 armor worth 4 FAT?Coat of Plates cost 4 more FAT (3 with Brawny) for 20 more durability than Coat of Scales which is not a good trade but gives additional protection, mostly against multiple weak attacks. Forge protects better against the more common weak attackers. Using Colossus on top would still be good, just pointing out this interaction as Colossus is a good pick on Forge, so by extension if Nimble can be better then it is also a good pick. 60 INI gets +9 Defenses Each 1 point of INI is worth 0.15 Defenses, so leveling +5 INI is worth 0.75 Defenses A buff bubble will appear on the left side of the screen where you can check your current Dodge value. Compare to perks like Dodge/Gifted/Shield Spec which will always* be providing value. For example, you can easily use a 2H Mace without mastery which is far stronger than a Billhook. Resilient is the best counter to some dangerous effectsThe main draw of Resilient is of course the reduced Charm duration. Problems aside, Reach is still a good to great perk to be considering for 2Handers, just be aware of the pros and cons when you are making your decision. You can reasonably assume that Executioner will increase consistency in kill rates, even if it doesnt always speed up kill rates, but it depends on each weapon/enemy case. Taunt is another control tool for our arsenal. A level 14 unit with Gifted will still be 3 rolls ahead of a level 14 unit without Gifted. Standing next to adjacent friendly bros grants +3 hidden RES bonus for each bro. Spamming these skills will likely need Recover to support it. Forge bros can use their slow speed to get two turns out of activated skills when using Adrenaline. Remaining armor = 227.55 HP damage = 80 * 0.6(Ignore%) 22.755(10% Remaining armor) = 25.25. If Headshot we multiply final hp damage * 1.5 = 37.87. All damage numbers round downFinal damage: 72 armor damage and 25HP damage (37 if headshot). Duelists also have the benefit of a free offhand, which means that they can open the battle with a Net or Grenade and toss it without having to do any weapon swaps. Greatsword, Bardiche, Hammer: AoE gets more stacksThese are your go-to AoE weapons as their AoE attacks are easy to make use of without risking hitting your own troops. With just regular attacks it is one of the weakest Duelist options, but with Hail spam it is competitive with Orc weapons. This is why even though perks like Colossus and Brow can be nice for the extra passive defense and injury avoidance for Forge, if you are using Indom, Brow is almost irrelevant and Colossus isnt as impactful as normal either. Having two attacks at range and the ability to target high priority targets before they reach your line can allow Warbows to fish for drops early and often. Reddit user MrDadyPants has beaten Kraken without Recover. The Fatigue penalty from wearing armor and helmet is reduced by 30%. Counter high defense enemiesAncient Legion with Tower Shield using Shield Wall will have 50 defense + more if they are lined up together using it. Some builds can want multiple A Mastery isnt helping if you switch to a different weapon, FAT reductions do not round, so for every 4 FAT normally spent, you get 1 FAT subtracted FAT reduction calculates after addition/subtraction by Orc/Famed items. Relentless starts with nothing and gains some value over time. This means a tight formation cannot be pushed around except through the edges, and your archers should be in the interior back. At all times your Initiative is reduced only by 50% of your accumulated Fatigue, instead of all of it. Footwork can only save yourself but Rotation can save yourself or save your buddy which makes it a lot more enticing. Mind can help counter this threat. Each point of RES reduces these chances by 1%. 2H Cleaver is another popular choice since you may already want to have a Whip and Cleaver Mastery anyway. Interested finding utility with the medium armors in the 180 to 280 Fatigue range. Thank you to Outryder for pointing these out. Rally is one of the only things that will cause him to FAT up and even with a poor FAT pool he can cast Rally several turns in which for you to solve the problem. For example, CS Duelist Mace/Hammer deal much better damage, achieving similar injury rates with just normal attacks as the CS Duelist Gash Shamshir due to their innately higher damage output. It is a global damage increase (and quite a large one) after you get a kill, which means if you can consistently be getting kills then you are consistently doing extra damage without really any strings attached except for getting it online in the first place and keeping it going. If you can consistently do this then it does wonders for the RES problems and you can even Rally if there is trouble. Compare to other perks where you always know what you are getting. Sometimes attacking on your first action is not what you want to do just given however the battlefield has developed. The backbone of the Gilded are their Nimble Conscripts. because they wouldnt make sense) Most likely does not effect Fire Pot initial throw (needs confirmation) For a full injury list, refer to thiswiki page. Fearsome: Synergy with it and defense against itThe BD Fearsome changes allow it to scale with your RES. Berserk regains 4 on a kill. As a result, heavy armor is good at negating HP damage from weapons with low AID but is still vulnerable to attacks dealing high AID. 'High HP Low Fatigue' means you level fatigue. If your build wants to spam these skills then Dodge will not be as useful to you. Everyone knows how annoying enemy Marksman/Arbalester are. Destroy Armor is usually bad on Duelist Hammer because it fixes the hp damage dealt to 10. Test case is a Chosen with Spiked Mace vs. a Forge bro. With QH you can get the two attacks in. If a frontliner gets into trouble then he can swap positions with a fresh backliner. The less obvious reason is that every turn they spend trying to break your shield, is a turn they arent trying to kill you. The short answer is that both are strong and you should use some of each. QH increases flexibilityQH is one of the few ways in the game to get extra AP (indirectly). Chosen. You killed my father. Realistically, you wont be using Lash every attack as it is too expensive, but you dont need to either. Student is a perk which is a little boring on the surface, but extremely handy. While Executioner suffers from many of the same problems as CS (see CS section), it is a better perk overall. Of course you can use multiple stat boosters and a bro using Colossus, Mind, Gifted and Brawny is still completely viable despite a large perk investment into stat help, but if you are trying to get away with fewer stat boosting perks then Mind may not be giving you the highest returns compared to the others. Since Chosen are one of the most dangerous enemies in the game, this can potentially be worth a pick. If Frenzy is up it is guaranteed. Since every HP point is worth more with Nimble, DoT particularly hurt it. By high I mean 70+ before LW is what I would recommend and it is very hard to get there without Mind. Two-Handers: CS value depends on weapon choiceFor the most part CS is wasted on two-handers unless you are trying to Injure Unholds, Orc Warriors, Chosen, or Nimble enemies. + A handy escape tool for vulnerable brothers+ Can be used offensively in creative ways+ Can allow you to be more aggressive, knowing that you have an out Expensive to cast, you may not have enough FAT when you most need it With smart play and good positioning it usually isnt needed Unlike Rotation, only saves yourself rather than being able to save others Similar effect achieved by QH with a Smoke Bomb, Costs 3 AP and 25 Fatigue Can be used multiple times per turn, AP/FAT allowing Can move up or down one height elevation Ignores Zone of Control. Against relatively tanky enemies like Chosen/Conscripts, having CS can help setup injuries, but isnt strictly necessary. reduce INI and thus, your Dodge value Relentless halves INI loss from Fatigue gained, thus reducing the rate of Dodge loss Recover halves current FAT, thus gaining back some Dodge value Ex. Spearwall no longer disables when enemies breach into your Zone of Control. Use Colossus if you expect your Nimble bro to be seeing danger. It depends really on your build and what you want for your bro. When facing Goblins, for example, Nimble will provide excellent protection against the occasional heavy bolt or puncture but it will not perform well against a rain of arrows and Bolas. Is more Resolve better than a different stat booster?As a raw stat perk, Mind is going to have to be compared to the other raw stat perks. I have built adamage calculator hat can simulate the game combat. 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