People generally lean either toward love or hate when it comes to a Glock. The Glock safe fire system renders the Glock physically incapable of firing in such a situation. Thanks for your opinions and commentary. Now that they have the G43X and G48, they may be able to adapt it to 40, which I would prefer to a 36. 35850 Views 29 Replies 23 Participants Last post by G20 Guy, Apr 20, 2014. Some just shoot what they brought. The main reason that Glock is still holding on to the Gen 3 models is due to California's unconstitutional handgun registry. The .45 round, be it .45 Colt, .45-70, or .45 ACP, has always been synonymous with American exceptionalism and the spirit of adventure. They make clothes and shoes in different sizes for different people and there's no shame in that. As you've gathered so far, the differences between Glock Gen 4 vs Glock Gen 3 are moderate. Probably due to the difference in for of the upper part of the grip and new texturing pattern. This without the cost of being uncomfortable during long sessions at the range. All gun manufacturers offer different models of their products. This being said, if you happen to not be experienced at such upgrades bear this in mind. The dual recoil spring on the Gen 4 weighs in also. Sights: Polymer U-notch Glock Gen 3 vs Gen 4 46,425 views Feb 16, 2017 399 Dislike Share TheGearTester 30K subscribers In this video I discuss some of the differences between Gen 3 and Gen 4 Glock handguns.. I liked it enough to pick up a G30SF frame and make my own FrankenGlock G30s, which also did brief carry duty. Ill be buying more of them. A lightweight handgun at 1.52 lbs, it tops out at 2.04 lbs with a fully-loaded magazine of 10mm ammunition. But mainly the grip is different because it is a little shorter and then you can add back straps to make it bigger. You can get a solid purchase on the weapon without hurting bare skin. The first couple emptied mags reminded me why I liked this gun so much years ago, and it really comes down to one unique feature, the grip shape. A lot of people that customize the Gen 3 put an extended magazine release on their guns, so Glock just did it for them. You can take a dermal tool or a sanding block to the frame, its only plastic. EFK Spring with the buffered/dual action recoil relief per the EFK website shows 40% reduction of recoil which sounds good, especially with the snappy .40 S&W. Generation 3 Glock 27 (left), Generation 4 Glock 19 (top center) and Glock 36 (right). Have carried my G36 for 10+ years with no issues Fits my hand well, recoil quite manageable for a subcompact, accurate, and have never had a reliability issue after 1,000 rounds of FMJ or JHP from the major brand ammos I did get a trigger job done and added night sights. The longer pins will work but stick out a little to far. I just bought a 19 Gen 3 and was looking for this kind of info. Why shouldn't our handguns be offered the same way? Gen 4 has a bump on the connector to ride inside the slide. Discussions on any and all topics are welcome even with different opinions. Glock has been around since 1963 and in 1981 Glock handguns as we know them were born. or thinking about buying one? If you see some that look a little different its because the guns being made in America and the ones being made in Austria have a finish that looks a little different. This means that not only with the Gen 4 not only shoot easier, but it will last longer too. Buy custom GLOCK accessories and more on the Team GLOCK Store. Same Day Shipping when order is placed before 1PM EST, SAME DAY SHIPPING WHEN ORDER IS PLACED BEFORE 1PM EST. Im with you, for some reason I just keep going back to the Gen 3. You'll have to get out and handle both. The Glock 19 Gen 4 upgrades are subtle, yet leap out at the same time. Function dictates form here. And stop comparing it to a damned 9mm, it is not! Nothing is changed internally or really all that substantially; the gun is pretty much the same except for some surface changes. This ergonomically changes the weapon. I just bought and shot the Glock 36 and I was really impressed with how accurate it is given size and caliber. That has happened more than once. Trigger pull weight is reduced to 2lbs 15oz when paired with the M*CARBO Glock Gen 3-4 Spring Kit. The gun packs a full 10 rounds in the standard magazine and 12 rounds in an extended magazine. I dont like the texture on the grip of the Gen 4, as it impinges on my undershirt under my shirt where I carry my holster. Yours is not. The Glock 17 is an Austrian made pistol used by law enforcement and military all over the world. .45 GAP get a G39 which is exactly the size of a G26/27, not enough mag capacity? Its mechanically sound as I had not a single issue with it as far as reliability is concerned, but it just wasnt an enjoyable gun to shoot. The owner never got Glock Knuckle for him. Where can I find all the parts that are needed to build or put together a glock from scratch? The recoil spring doesnt really feel any different when shooting and Im not sure it will help at all. It was thinner than the double stack G21, but as flat as a GLOCK 19, allowing .45 power in a (relatively) small package. All Gen4 pistols have improved Trigger Spring hook attachment points on the Trigger Mechanism Housing and the Trigger with Trigger Bar that reduce hook failure (the most common part that breaks in pre-Gen5 pistols). That's a plus if the standard pistol doesn't have the best fit out of the gate. I swapped my Gen 3 and 4 model 27's slide with no issue. The differences are few. They weren't referred to as such until the Gen 4; the Glock Gen 3 guns were just called "Glock" pistols. Either one will work the same. This was the first in a line of GLOCK pistols that attempted innovation within the constraints of the original GLOCK design. An additional cross pin was added above the trigger guard pin, acting as a fence for the barrel link when the gun recoils. Sounds like this Chris guy is a real stud. Ive found that Im just as accurate and nearly as fast compared to the G19. Buy a wolf gunsprings Glock competition trigger pack ($10) and install 2 of the 3 springs. I have to agree with you. Internally they changed a couple things. From holster to target. I think I would prefer the G23 over the G19. Being a responsible gun owner means proper training and to regular practice. At least not unmanageable. Shoot both if possible. I shoot it frequently and carry it often. Shortest Pre-travel is achievable WITHOUT losing any OEM safety features. Buffalo Bore 255gr +P Outdoorsman875fps, 3.5 Ive owned numerous G 9mms over the years and they are all gone. Id need to carry 4 mags to feel warm and cozy. Basically no recoil. The stipling on the Gen 4 Glock pistols is a little more aggressive. Also, is there a trigger upgrade, spring upgrade available? Then there's the elephant in the room, price. Returning to the southpaw shooter, the Gen 4 magazines have notches on both sides, so the mags will slide out. Capacity: 6+1 Rounds Born in southeastern Washington State, Sam Hoober graduated in 2011 from Eastern Washington University. Nope. Safety Equals Practice. So I carry the Glock. Now go practice. To look at the GLOCK 36 today is to look at a stepping stone design. Overall Length: 7 Never misfires (shot thousands of rounds through it.). The gun hides well for me under winter clothing and a Hawaiian shirt ans shorts for summer. A dual recoil spring can slightly change the recoil impulse, but only so much. Just in the event that the worst were to happen an the internal safeties failed, the firing pin would hit nothing but air. The technically superior G19 just cant produce the tactile satisfaction of the G36 delivering a round. Also, the Gen 4 frame as a larger channel in its bottom to accommodate the new, larger recoil spring assembly. What problems, could it be the EFK Recoil Spring system? Both versions were and still are typically reliable, with the G36 being my favorite due mostly to the narrower shape of the grip. (And black slidelike how black slides came out the week after I bought by 48). Do not install the reduced weight striker spring. I am casual shooter with small hands. However, the reverse is not true. And yeah, Ive had my pinky bitten on quick mag changes but not shooting. Every one of your responses reinforces my opinion. Glock also re-engineered the recoil spring and put a dual spring in the new gun. The grip is a little different. I carried it on duty for two years no complaints. The 36 is reliable and accurate enough for self defense. I do have extended grips on my Glock 36 magazines but have not had the skin pinching problem others have had, dont know why. But This one does what I bought it for. The later release of the G36 was something new for GLOCK. Thanks Daric! Yes, the Glock 36 is small. As with all Glock 19 generations, the Glock 19 Gen 3 and the Glock 19 Gen 4 retain their industry changing striker fire design. He didn't fix what wasn't broken. The slide serrations were changed to fish scales and the texturing was changed, with stipling rather than a rough texture on the sides and checkering on the front and back of the grip. That makes it prone to moving in the hand under recoil and the lack of grippy grip texture on the sides makes it somewhat hard to control. It depends on what you want. No glocks in the safebut now considering one. Yes, I have switched to an M&P 9 over the last year and love it. Also, you can't overlook the legendary Glock reliability. First of all, the Gen 3 broke around 20,000 rounds or so and more dry fire then I can count (probably at least 10:1 dry to live). Again, if GLOCK were to come out and combine the engineering of the G43 and adapt it to the .45 ACP, including addressing the grip length on the G36, they would have a winner. But thats just me. If youre whining about recoil, perhaps a .45 of any brand is not for you. I suspect that Europeans failed to grasp the .45 bore because they are still largely essentially serfs living under the will of their governments and as a result gravitated towards smaller, weaker rounds designed for deterrence and not self-defense. Glock makes some minor revisions every so often to their basic design, leading to a new "generation" about every 10 years or so. I bought my Glock 36 in 2001(DTH 194). As in all of these exclusive Glock 19 Gen 4 upgrades, size matters. On paper the pistol sounds more compact than it is in practice. liked it. As are you. Six rounds of 45 Auto in a package that fits into the hands of any user. The Blue label program is a great service from Glock. The size of the mag release button is nice as well. See, the Glock 19 Gen 4 magazines are notched on both sides to allow for the ambidextrous mag release. The different back straps should only matter if the Gen 3 doesnt fit you hand. Its the only plastic fantastic firearm I own, I prefer real steel firearms. The gun doesnt feel very secure during this process and forgetting where your pinky is can result in a painful pinch. Do you have one Jeff? Buffalo Bore 230gr JHP +P-903fps, 3.0 The dealer gets it for a special price and the guns are marked and can only be sold as Blue Label guns. I agree with you Jeff i have three mags. not for the Camp Perry matches. Some people took a liking to it, as 13+1 rounds of .45 ACP is enough to overlook some minor issues. I find the G36 easier to manage and am able to shoot it better so it is my carry gun. If you want a Glock, just buy one. I also have the pearce +1 mag extensions so I can have a full 5 fingered grip on it. I dont have trouble hanging onto it, probably because it fits & feels great in my hands, with +1 exension. I fired 100 rounds to break it in, and then 400 at a class. The Gen 4 measures 7.95 in. I plan to get another extension making my carry total of 21 rounds with two mag changes. Easy to shoot. Had a G30S. I carry IWB or OWB with the holster between the belt and trouser band. Ha ha. I agree with your evaluation but I like my gun. Own a gen 3 19 and 23. I had a G21 and it sucked. GLOCKs first guns were high capacity for the time and established what is now the standard, be it 15 or 17 round magazines. I like the thinner gun profile, thinner grip . 41 Replies to "Glock Gen 3 vs Gen 4" William T.Farrow says: September 10, 2017 at 04:49 . I use to carry a Dan Wesson .357 Magnum in service for a PD. I wasnt sure if it was safe or not, so I took it off the line. The advantages the Gen 4 has over the 3 is the thinner grip to start and then you can add size, bigger and changeable mag release, and more texture on the grip. The Gen 3 pistols have been in production for 20 years. I added the mag extension which drastically improved the grip for me. Expand your knowledge and make educated decisions to Also have a Shield 45 which is a terrific pistol IMO. Staying safe, same to you. Its a little unnerving, but time will tell if that is a problem or not. They were introduced when polymer was still a relatively new material in the gun world and as a result they came out looking strange by comparison to what was standard at the time. I know, some people absolutely have to save every dollar they can, and that's okay. Hornady Custom 200gr XTP +P925fps, 3.25. Ghost makes one of the best, but Apex makes one, and a couple others. Now THAT was a boat anchor. However, when you factor in the perks that may apply to your situation just how much is that difference in price really? I shoot it regulary and have qualified with it the last two times my ccw was up for renewal. Notice the duller look of the newer finish for Glock pistols on the Gen 4 pistol. Hornady American Gunner 185gr JHP-848fps, 3.0 So again, this is an exclusive but necessary item in the list of Glock 19 Gen 4 upgrades. It starts life out of the box with all the mods I make to my Glock to make it shoot and feel like I want. No, the Shield 2.0 45 is not lighter it just has a shorter Bbl. It made the pinky pinch and shot-to-shot grip slip disappear. The magazine release is one of the things that may matter to you. I went back to my Gen 3 to make sure it wasnt something I missed. The first is the overall grip size and texture. Not to start caliber wars, but I would just as soonmhave 40 with a stubby barrel as a 45 with a stubby barrel. It is possible to install the connector for a Glock 19 Gen 4 into a Gen 3. Start browsing our selection of Glock parts today, and give yourself an edge! Disclaimer | Privacy Policy, So I have a question would any Ody help me find a backstrap for Glock 19 gen with hex key. Hornady Critical Duty 220gr +P950fps, 1.5 This was the same for GLOCK in the early years. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. Myself being a first time buyer, which gen 3 would be good to defend your family as well as protect yourself? The recoil spring is quite stiff by comparison to similar guns, which makes it difficult to operate with cold or slippery hands. The release doesnt stick out further or just bigger around, it extends towards the back so it makes the push a shorter reach for your thumb. Hot on the heels of the announcement of the new single-stack slimline G43X and G48, both of which are skinny little 9mms, I am going to take the time to do a rewind and look at GLOCKs first attempt at the single-stack slimline game: the .45 ACP GLOCK 36. Glock tried to use the same spring in the 9mm and .40. Accuracy * * . During high school I volunteered at my local PD where I learned more about handguns. Gen 3 & and Gen 4 Glocks are available at Glockstore.com.Comparing Gen 3 and Gen 4 Glocks That's a price difference that is also cost saving. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. My 7th Glock! You can hold it, sight it and be safe from the Glock pinch. The next visible difference between Glock 19 Gen 3 and Gen 4 is its slide. I figured out the frame was thinner when I was working on Massad Ayoobs crush grip. Got rid of the 36 in some long forgotten gun deal. The trigger housing found in the Glock 19 Gen 4 was designed just a bit smaller than in the Glock 19 Generation 3. Its a little bit of pain but worth the $100 if they have the one you want. New, that is. Feb 2, 2013 (Edited) dwcfastrice said: It is not true. On paper the pistol sounds more compact than it is in practice. Like virtually all GLOCK pistols, its dependable and will go bang when needed. The backstrap to trigger distance puts my finger in perfect position for a straight-back squeeze. No Im not a glock fan boy my EDC is a Sig 365 XL, After that the Glock 36 is just fine. He resides in the great Inland Northwest, with his wife and child. The 17 or 22 would be great for that. You may love the new texture or hate it. I bought my Gen 4 before Glock offered the beaver tail. That is evident when looking straight at the muzzle, there is a bigger hole that you cannot miss. The gun fired everything I put in it. One large point of contention shooters had with the Glock 19 Generation 3 was the grips being too large for smaller hands. Start browsing our selection of, AR-10 / LR-308 Complete Upper Receiver Assemblies, Shop All Complete Upper Receiver Assemblies, Shop All AR-10 / LR-308 Complete Upper Receiver Assemblies, Shop All AR-10 / LR-308 Upper Receiver Parts, Shop All AR-10 / LR-308 Lower Receiver Parts, Shop All Handgun Barrels & Muzzle Devices, Shop All Bipods / Monopods & Accessories. Im a Marine, I can break anything. Stumbled across this old G36 review just a day after pulling out one of my two old G36s from the safe and heading to the range with it. Never a bad idea to sharpen the skills with good training. A big complaint I have is that the magazine has a large basepad that is necessary for a firm grip on the gun. The medium back strap makes the grip the same size as the Gen 3. While the first Gen Glocks weren't broken per se, there were improvements to be made. I find the grip to be comfortable while I have large hands the grips fits me fine. The Glock Generation 3 guns are very basic, in that they give you everything you need and nothing you don't. In the end, its a personal choice. get the most out of your GLOCK pistol. Next up is the connector. When looking at the forward edge of the grip you will notice the same finger grooves on both models. It just wasnt new, sexy plastic. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. All Rights Reserved. Glock categorizes their guns as Generation 1, Generation 2, Generation 3, Generation 4, and recently Generation 5. Someone else mentioned the Colt Officers ACP. Ive broken both of them. In a short time, the Glock name spread across the ocean into America. The connector on the Gen 4 lies inside the trigger housing and has a modified angle in order to preserve the trigger pull weight of the Gen 3. Ive handled and shot one of his pistols and it feels great. How many have you been in? This doesn't bother me really, but it does feel like it opens my grip just a little bit. It provides a positive hold and control of the weapon in less than perfect conditions. The Gen 4 slide still will not fit the Gen 3 frame. You really should do some life evaluationsif THIS is what your life has amounted to today, perhaps it is time to change course and begin practicing the things that will produce a better tomorrow. Yes, mag changes are a PITA. Welcome to Glock Knuckle. You can get a gun for about $100 cheaper. Glock also created modular backstraps for the Gen 4 pistols, which were cleverly named the "Glock Modular Backstraps.". Now have a Shield 2.0 45, like it better. If you are going to strip the gun all the way to the frame its going to be a little different than the Gen 3. I get Glock Knuckle from both of them. The G36 is a very accurate and reliable pistol, and a Great CCW weapon. just to guys with 2 diameter forearms. And its a.45. There is absolutely no reliability difference between Glock 19 Gen 3 and Gen 4 handguns. If you have very small hands youll definitely like the Gen 4 better. BTW, everyone in this thread seem to forget about Kahr CM45. Even if you get a used gun, it's still a Glock. Most of us get it. I just didnt want to rebuild the entire thing, but will sooner or later. So that I broke both of them wasnt that big of a surprise to anyone. Ron DeSantis Removes Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel, Gun Review: Taurus GX4XL T.O.R.O. Not good when milliseconds count. Parts Which Are Different and Non-Interchangeable Between Gen 3 and Gen 4 Glock, Parts That Are Different But Interchangeable, Wing Tactical offers a wide selection of Glock parts and accessories for gun enthusiasts everywhere. The new texture is more aggressive, however, not overly so. Guns like the Smith & Wesson M&P45 Shield(which was introduced have superior ergonomics, grip texture, and magazine capacity for equal size. 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